Oh yeah, I looked it up and Paz is the one who says she feels awkward.
...that's still way more ambiguous than the Kaz one.
Pretty sure it was heavily implied if not outright stated that he knew her age, her at least knew she was older than she claimed to be. Plus iirc Kaz never actually touched her while Strangelove did.
That's presented as a bad thing. Like, unambiguously. His obsessing over The Boss is what leads directly to him becoming A VILLAIN later (chronologically) in the series. This is doubly true for Zero.
Literally where is Strangelove getting condemned for shit male characters get a pass for. Where is Strangelove getting condemned in general. The very, very few times I have seen anyone remotely criticize Strangelove's behavior the critic gets shouted down. Most of the fandom lionizes her as a tragic character who didn't do anything wrong and will rarely, if ever, acknowledge her behavior towards Paz and Cécile, and never acknowledge how weird her obsession with The Boss is.
There's nothing to indicate that The Boss would have actually wanted that, but I guess since she (briefly) haunted her AI that means she was chill with it after all. Or just completely willing to use it to stop a nuclear apocolypse which, y'know, not out-of-character...
I mean, they're all tragic; that's what makes it interesting.
And I guess where Strangelove gets condemned is what she basically says herself: She's the Woman Who Sold the World.
I don't know how much of her work is involved with the Patriot A.I., I know I've mentioned this before but now I keep going back to it and the only thing I can figure is that the Truth tapes are at odds with the rest of the game, or there's some detail that's unfinished or something (but then, what's new) but at the very least she felt responsible by the end.
...I mean, Kaz may not have touched her, but I dunno man. Going into her hospital room and starting to take off his pants to show her how to apply a suppository seems weird.
Even if he knows she's an adult spy, that still seems like entrapment or some shit.
EDIT: Oh god I have no idea what the metaphysics of MGS haunting are like. Like, do the ghosts have a choice in the matter or how much, and what's the difference between that and the necromancy with Frank Jaegar and John, and the ghost arms and...
I never said Strangelove wasn't an interesting character. I actually like her a lot. But she is deeply, deeply a flawed and most of the fandom won't acknowledge this.
Okay. I guess she does take some criticism for that. But that's an entirely separate issue...
Kaz is a whole 'nother can of worms entirely. And while there are (annoying) fans who think Kaz is a perfect sad little angle uwu, from what I've seen most people are able to acknowledge that that's, like, super inappropriate. I mean, the fact that it's super inappropriate is where the humor comes from in-game. Also on a slide scale of wrongness flashing an adult is less wrong than groping (someone you're under the impression is) a kid, even though it is still wrong. Basically MSF really needed some kind of anti-sexual harassment sensitivity training and both Strangelove and Kaz needed to be sent to it.
Honestly? I think The Last Days of FOXHOUND actually got it right, with the whole "a spirit can only posses a body that belongs to them" thing - it did explain the arm thing rather neatly, and with The Boss AI that could, since it was so similar to her in terms of 'personality', be easily considered a "body" (if you define body as "vessel"). It does seem like a voluntary process on the ghosts' end, though. Also wasn't it explained that Fox and BB just straight-up weren't actually dead? Almost dead, sure. But not dead dead. Still had brain activity.
I mean, I'm pretty sure I remember the terms "living death" and "biomort" thrown around in 4.
And, like, I dunno why they would have stripped Solidus's skin and limbs like that if they didn't need em for something, and if it didn't make him look more like the real thing.
EVA and Liquid Ocelot also seemed to think it was actually the real thing, which is admittedly confused by all the self-hypnosis going on.
Solidus was braindead but the rest of his body was still kickin' thanks to ventilators and heart pumps and such. Hence, biomort. It's actually a real thing although I don't think hospitals use the term "biomort" - but clinical death happens when brain activity ceases. That doesn't necessarily mean the rest of the body follows; if hooked up to machines then the heart can still beat, the lungs still breathe, etc.
Possible he got all fucked in the process of being moved from Area 51 to EVA's care?
I imagine that Ocelot knew full well that if he went fully under with the Liquid persona then he would end up with an uncontrollable urge to kill Big Boss - since if he just cut that out then that'd be out-of-character and supiiiiciioooous, which could ruin his plans. His way around this was, most likely, to fool EVA into thinking that the Solidus biomort was actually Big Boss' comatose ass, so that later when he was fully "Liquid" he could fool himself into thinking that that was, in fact, Big Boss - since that's who EVA swears it is, and she's the one with him in the back of a truck! - and killing him instead. And so "Liquid" still kills Big Boss like he wants to, while John stays out of it entirely.
So I don't quite want to restart the "was Strangelove/Boss reciprocated or not" thing, but I just now realized that I do kinda wonder whether the Boss would be more proud of Otacon as a son than she would be/is of Adamska and John?
Because I sorta feel like she kinda would have to be.
The Boss's thing is loyalty, and Ocelot is. Not. Also he's a crazy torture cowboy that overrelies on showing off and tricks.
Also his end goal was the world devolving into chaos and endless war and. I sorta feel like that's the last thing she'd ever want.
...One of my favorite things about the Boss and Ocelot in MGS3 is the palpable air of disappointment she has in him. In this AU where they live together, I really want to see more of it, and the way she snarks at him about how he would be just as bad at health class as Volgin is such a good example of it.
Big Boss has 99 problems and he's all of them.
The Boss was interested in science and felt understanding it was important, and Philanthropy's "To Let The World Be" really does seem like the most succinct summary of her beliefs.
Yeah Otacon was probably a lot closer to The Boss' actual meme than Ocelot ever was. So y'know. Good job, Strangelove. Though Ocelot is loyal, just to one specific guy he didn't meet until he was 20 and the way he goes about carrying out BB's orders/doing what he thinks BB would want him to do even if he's not actually right about that is... interesting, to say the least. But there is loyalty there. Hell, there's enough loyalty there that he does measure up to his mom in one arena, if you ask me.
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