Comment on Changes to Support and Policy & Abuse Responsibilities

  1. Question, Why are people allowed to write sexual fanfictions of real non-concenting minors?
    I.e Tubbo, Ranboo and Tommyinnit who have stated that don't like that kind of content.
    Shouldn't there be a rule against sexualizing real people?

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    1. Hello! I'd like to clarify that ao3 is an inclusive website, for well, everything, as long as it is transformative, meaning that it should have some sort of creativity towards the specific fandom, or whether it is an original work. Since "problematic" ships are generally transformative, reports like these will not be taken into consideration, as it follows the ToS. Nevertheless, this isn't a reason to go and harass these specific content creators.

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      1. Yes, But Tommyinnit stated that he does not want stuff like that written about him, And your allowing people to de-humanize his choice to stand up to it. I don't care if its "inclusive" because its something tommy himself is against and does not want written about him, And having the option to say "No, I don't like that" taken away from him can be bad for his mental health.
        But you wouldn't care, Because you probably support the people who rape others and groom kids since you allow that kind of shit.

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        1. Woah, woah, let's not jump to conclusions here. First of all, how do we know that he even reads this? And how can you assume that this is impactful to his mental health? He has obviously never heard of fanfiction like this until a donation, or someone in chat, or a comment specifically said, "Hey there's weird fanfiction written about you, go check it out." He has only expressed discomfort of this when he heard about it, meaning he had never read any of the sort. Second of all, no I don't support rapists and pedophiles. They are disgusting. Now, I'm not saying that this isnt wrong, or right in any way, I'm just saying that just because those writers write weirdchamp fanfiction about real people, they aren't automatically pedophiles or rapists or heck, even bad people. I simply answered your question of,"Why is this not being taken down?" and you decided to jump all over my clarifications. However, if you truly want to stop these 'rapists' and 'pedophiles', go out to the real world and do something about it. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but don't go around harassing people because of them.

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          1. YEs, But as a minor knowing the fact this site is allowing another minor in a job i wanna do be sexualized is horryfing. And the fact is; Tommy is a MINOR. Who just wants to make people happy with his videos, He does not deserve to be sexualized. Platonic things in fine with, A little bit of ramance? Thats fine, But Sexualizing him should not be allowed. As Simple as that.

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            1. Alright. Guess we're all entitled to our own opinions. Seriously, if you do want it taken down, go to ao3 and give a request. Don't go spreading around hate.

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              1. How do i send a request? If i can ask-
                I onlt started using Ao3 not long ago..

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                1. Should be in the FAQ Guidelines.

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                  1. Alright.

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            2. a little Aipom doodle

              Just so you know, AO3 was founded to not censor any form of transformative work, no matter what it contains or what it's about. You are using a site that specifically was made to preserve this kind of content you think shouldn't be allowed. I'm not saying I personally like this kind of content, just letting you know what you're getting yourself into on AO3!

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            3. I understand your worries about the sexual content written about real people, and whether or not ao3 is in the wrong about allowing it on it's plateform. I also wanted to let you know that this particular issue has been and is currently being debated on nearly every plateform that host fan created content.

              Unfortunately, there is no simple answer.
              Some sites have decided that they won't allow any RPF, no matter if it's sexual or not. Some sites have decided that they won't allow any sexual content, no matter if it's RPF or fiction. Ao3 has decided that it is not up to them to police what users write, as long as it is appropriately tagged, simply because they feel it is not up to them to draw the line between what is acceptable and what is not. To take your own words as an example, you stated that platonic fics are fine, even those with a little bit or romance, but anything else is over the line, but what exactly is a little bit of romance for you? Is it the same as what I would think? The same as what Tommy would think? Is it the same as what the U.S law says? If we go with what Tommy says is what should be allowed, then do we have to ask them about every kind of fic, sexual or not? Do we have to ban every fic written about a real person until they publicly annonce what they are ok with being written about them? And the arguments for or against can go on and on without ever finding an answer that makes everyone happy.

              I do not want to confront you or make you change your mind. You are allowed to have your own opinions about this subject, and you are allowed to think that the position Ao3 has taken is wrong. But I encourage you to research what each platform for creative works has decided to do about this situation, and go with the one that fits your own decision the best. Ultimately, you can not change what Ao3 has decided, because changing these rules means changing the goal of the archive itself, which is allowing any transformative fiction as long as the basic guidelines are followed.The best thing you can do if you do not approve is to not use the Ao3, or to moderate your account so as to avoid the content that you do not approve of. If you want to know how to filter your searches, I will be more than pleased to guide you to the correct ressources to learn how to do so.

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      2. Again, I repeat, Tommy himself has asked people NOT to make stuff like that. So your not respecting a MINORS choice of whats written about him. Witch makes you all just as horrible as the perverts that write them.

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        1. I'm not defending these people, nor am I supporting them. I simply clarified your queries. Don't go jumping to conclusions, please.

          Last Edited Tue 14 Sep 2021 07:56AM EDT

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        2. Also, because I'm a vindictive piece of shit, you made a typo. Witch to Which.

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          1. I approve of this correction.

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        3. Something I never seem to see mentioned is that the Dream smp fandom seems to skew quite young, which means in all honesty many of the folks writing and reading that content are going to be not only minors themselves, but probably even younger than he is.

          That doesn't mean you can't disagree with them, but your assumption that people writing them must be peodophiles is a little premature even if you think any adult writing it is wrong.

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        4. Hey lovely, I understand Tommy said he doesn't want things written about him, but if it's such a big deal towards YOU then don't use ao3...lol simple (Jk unless). Just avoid fanfics with sexual content and smut and get mad at the CREATORS of those fanfictions, not ao3.

          :))

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    2. Key word is fanFICTION. It's about a fictionalized version of the person, clearly labeled as fiction. It's fine to not want to read it, and it's fine to say you morally disapprove, but no, there are no rules against it.

      There are rules against HARASSING other people. If an AO3 user is sending fiction to people without their consent, or making threats to do real things to real people, absolutely report that using the "Report Abuse" link at the bottom of every page.

      Last Edited Tue 14 Sep 2021 02:02PM EDT

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    3. Hi EnderBoii,

      We understand your concerns about RPF. However, our Terms of Service provide the limits on what people may post. The Archive's Terms of Service are designed to conform to U.S. law regarding, among other things, prohibitions on child pornography (i.e., images of real children). As such, the Terms of Service provide the following prohibitions: "Content may not be uploaded to OTW's servers if it contains or links to child pornography (images of real children) [...]. Uploading such content is a violation of the ToS." There is a distinction, however, between child pornography and written fiction depicting characters under the age of 18 engaging in sexual activity, which is legal to post and access in the United States.

      Additionally, per our Terms of Service, real-person fiction is allowed on the Archive.

      We also must advise you that attacking other users, as you have done in this comment section, may be considered harassment, which is a violation of our Terms of Service.

      Ran
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