Comment on Important changes to adding work, chapter, and series co-creators

  1. What a lovely idea! I'm very excited about this change. Wondering if it would be possible to make sure both co-authors have to consent to deleting a fic?

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    1. I think that would also be good idea, because in the event of a falling out it would be unfair if one could simply delete something without the input opf the other person.

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      1. blooming evening primrose

        Is it actually possible to do that currently? :o

        If it is, this really should be changed - for the very reason ScouterFight stated.

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        1. Wow, yeah hope that's not currently possible :/ That could cause a lot of problems.

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          1. blooming evening primrose

            Indeed.

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            1. As someone who has co-written and collaborated a lot to my knowledge it is impossible to un co author a person unless it is of their own volition. They can remove themselves from the work.

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              1. blooming evening primrose

                While it's a good thing that authors can only remove themselves as co-creators, not other users, that doesn't help when one single co-creator can remove the whole work without consent of their co-creator(s) - which is actually possible currently as I learned in the last few minutes by reading further on in this thread.

                I feel with everyone who has lost any works that way and I really hope that AO3 removes this possibility as soon as possible.

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                1. I can already think of way around that honestly a co-author a could easily edit the fiction down to a single word and I don't think the co-author would be any the wiser effectively deleting the entire work. It would be a lot more difficult than just pressing a delete button but it's still possible. :/ hmmmm I do kind of wonder if any of my co-authors would edit the fiction and make it seem silly like removing words adding random sentences and I would be none the wiser. As someone who is learned most of the ins and outs of this site over the past 4 years that malicious thought has never occurred to me.

                  If this one thing I do like to do it is showcasing a flaw in the system even to my own detriment random storytime.

                  I remember over a year ago I was angry annoyed disgruntled that a fiction I was reading didn't have the pairing as described in the well pairing section it was a character / character which is clearly indicative of a romantic relationship how I thoroughly read the two chapters did they had up and there was not even a hint of a romantic or sexual relationship between the characters and I asked them when are they going to you know fall in love or whatever and they explicitly said in the comment that they have no intention of riding them in a romantic relationship so this false advertising urge way to report them where I discovered that this does not break the terms of service so you can put whatever pairing you want on your fiction no matter its contents so to Showcase this flaw I wrote a crossover between Harry Potter Sherlock Holmes and Marvel with a host of erroneous pairings that were never in the fiction. Granted it was 32000 words of haters going to hate on repeat at the same time I urged people in the comments to report it just to prove a point. That was my way to raise awareness of the issue I found. Which resulted in my account being suspended for a week. But hey it was for the greater good.

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        2. This happened to me when a friend decided to leave a fandom - she deleted all the works we had done together, without warning. There was no way for me to stop it or even save the works.

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          1. That's terrible!!!😭

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            1. I am horrified of that happening and I always urge my co-author if they are to leave writing to just remove themselves from the work instead of deleting it. And it is incredibly a dick move.

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              1. Agreed. I have a few collab fics I've done with past friends I'm no longer friends with, but I still love the fics we have done together. They haven't yet, but I'd very much dislike it if they suddenly deleted our collab(s). FOr that reason, I download a copy of all my fics so I still have a copy should something ever happen to it.
                Personally if I no longer want my name on an old fic, I talk to my co-writer about it first. if they want to keep the fic up, then I just remove myself from it and let it stay on their page. Or I just do that right away if I have no contact with them anymore.

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                1. Well any fiction that is deleted, the author of said fiction gets a copy email to them. Honestly I'm of the mindset that if you willingly and knowingly remove yourself from a fiction as an author you're giving up all rights to that work, actually right now I'm dealing with that particular scenario. Not that you in particular care but maybe someone of importance will come across this post on here. So I co-wrote a fiction with two OC's Nathan mine and Caleb my ex co-author's the work is of the not-safe-for-work variety and also contains not safe for work art. Now my co-author a while back was afraid of his Circle of Friends finding it I'm like okay don't delete it please I'm really proud of it it showcases my writing groups abilities and talents which he was apart of so he did the responsible thing and removed himself from the work giving up ownership and giving me total responsibility. But now months later he's come to me and ask me to remove the art, change a few descriptive features of his OC and also changed the name of his OC which he abandoned. And I thought about it and I have nothing against him personally but doing any of the things he asked would seriously compromise the quality of the fiction, hard work that again I am very proud of and am quite pleased with as is it would essentially ruin the fiction. So I simply told him no. And to be perfectly honest I was actually going to read it over again edit it a bit for grammatical errors throw on a few more tags and update the post date 2 let more people see it again. However in the context of him not wanting more people to see it I've decided not to do this because that would be a dick move and I don't want his friends to see it is that might ruin something for him I get it I just don't want to ruin my fiction but I also want as many people as possible to see my work. What's the point of working tirelessly painstakingly on a work of fiction having multiple beta readers look at over even sometime commissioning art for said piece just to have only a few people see it. But I digress and that's getting into a different subject.

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          2. I think this is what happened to an author I was following. They just up and quit, deleting all their account, works and co-created works. I've been scouring the internet to find any trace of them.

            This is why I've been downloading my favorite fics now.

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            1. Me in red, face hidden

              As a Fandom Old who watched entire archives disappear in the bad old days before AO3, I was saving copies of my favorite fics long before AO3 made it so easy with a download button. :)

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          3. bucky barnes winter soldier

            I'm so sorry that happened to you. Now I'm kind of terrified of that happening to all the co-creator works I've done. I don't think anyone I've collaborated with is that evil, I like to think they'd just remove themselves from the work, but I guess you never really know someone, do you.

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            1. I co-created a gift for a mutual friend and when my co-creator and giftee had a falling out the work was deleted. I suppose they don’t have to be evil to ragequit!

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          4. D.Va, a character from Overwatch, which is a video game.

            I feel bad, but this is why you keep a backup copy so you can copy and paste it just to make them feel stupid about even trying yoU MEAN PERSON WHO DID THAT
            Ok but in reality I do feel bad. But that’s just a tip I have.

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        3. It happened to me when an abusive ex friend of mine and i had a final falling out - they deleted everything off here and off our Google doc and I couldn't recover it. 30k words.

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          1. Ouch...

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            1. Yeah, it was Awful. Which is why in part I'm hoping we can get an option to remove someone from a work, because I have no way of removing them from the series that was so that they can't edit it anymore - and while it's been a while since all that happened, I'm still paranoid.

              Thankfully my new cowriter is a wonderful person, my best friend, and would never threaten legal action to me over me posting our fic with credit...

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          2. Omg that’s horrible. I’m really sorry you lost your work. I hope your ex friend gets her just deserts.

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          3. Ribbon

            Im so sorry. Same thing happened to me. Hundreds of thousands of words.

            Have you tried checking if the Wayback machine had archived your work at any point?

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          4. If the Google doc isn't deleted, you can restore previous versions by clicking on the "last edited _____ days ago" link at the top of the document next to the drop down menu. Really hope you can salvage your writing.

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      2. This is a really great idea. This would be real helpful for authors.

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      3. I'm not co-authoring anything at the moment, but the thought of that happening made my heart stop for a moment (o_o)

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    2. That would be brilliant! I vote for “yes”. It would be unfair for only one of the creators to decide whether the work should be deleted.

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    3. Llwyden

      Yes, PLEASE! I recently lost all kudos and comments on a story because one of four cowriters decided to delete it and it was just gone.

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      1. Happened to me too but I don't know why you're celebrating this change doesn't affect that at all it just adds a confirmation button if you want to be co-author to work

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        1. blooming evening primrose

          Llwyden's comment wasn't to the AO3 news post, but an answer to for_autumn_i_am's comment: Wondering if it would be possible to make sure both co-authors have to consent to deleting a fic?

          (I wondered for a moment myself, but had I clicked the "Parent Thread" button at for_autumn_i_am's comment which made that clear)

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          1. Ah I see sorry for the confusion.

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    4. I second this query.

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    5. Ribbon

      Seconding this!

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