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  1. katana is found under the eastern weapons in ultimate combat, iirc. they've got some neat stats.

    my big wall-o-text post below was posted before i refreshed the page and saw your explanation, so be gentle.

    also, since there's an afterlife and such in this, im surprised none of the dead people from pre-scratch aren't monitored by karkat as much as the others.

    Posted Sat 02 Jun 2012 01:47PM EDT

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    1. ah, forgot to link--great info place for Pf stuff: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/

      Posted Sat 02 Jun 2012 01:49PM EDT

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    2. Pixie Death - A red-eyed grinning shadowy face.

      Already used the Pathfinder OGC site for everything but the shuriken stats (WHICH WEREN'T THERE!). I even put the url in one of my comments for other people, see?

      It's great to see you getting so excited about this and if I ever stat up the others, believe me I will reference that list you did me... some of those things would not have occurred, since I'm not too familiar with summoners or witches. More of a melee player myself, might show a bit in the character builds since I'm not used to handling much spellpower. But I won't be building them any time soon as it takes AGES, and I'd need to think up where they fitted in this AU since basically they died before...

      ...wait...

      Hehehe.

      Anyway, cos I think you'll appreciate it, here's how I did the godmarks.

      #1: Design each character's godly profile- so alignment, favoured weapon, and domains. Make sure that the first two domains correspond to the Class and Aspect of their Sburb/Sgrub Title.

      #2: Take the domain powers of the Class-Linked domain. Convert anything WIS-based to be CHA-based, then give them the powers at the level advised.

      #3: Take the bonus spells of the Aspect-Linked domain. Give them the first one as a spell-like ability at third level, then the next one at fifth, and so on and so forth until nineteenth level when they have a ninth level spell-like ability. Be lazy and refuse to work out how many times a day they can do any of it until you're doing third or fifth level stats. Realise that a commenter who really likes Pathfinder and seems to know it better than you might have a suggestion. Look hopeful.

      #4: At first level, give every character weapon proficiency in their God's favoured weapon. If they already have proficiency in their God's favoured weapon, they gain an extra hero point and a boost to their total hero point capacity as per the Hero's Fortune Feat. Note that the Bard of Rage and the Rogue of Void are a little unusual with their favoured weapons, so Gamzee's Godmark grants the abilities of the Catch-Off Guard feat and Roxy's grants the abilities of Improved Unarmed Strike instead.

      #5: Feel smug.

      That last step is important, you have to do that one.

      I'll look up katana and if it's sufficiently different I'll retcon it in, since it was what I wanted in the first place. Do not underestimate what a pain in the arse statting this lot was, although some little gems (like Dave's Disposable Weapon Feat) made it worthwhile.

      Posted Sat 02 Jun 2012 02:05PM EDT

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      1. stats for katana: 50 gp 1d8 (slashing) damage 18–20/×2 crit 6 lbs.

        it also has the deadly quality.

        deadly: When this weapon delivers a coup de grace, it gains +4 to damage when calculating the DC of the Fortitude saving throw to see whether the target of the coup de grace dies from the attack. The bonus is not added to the actual damage of the coup de grace attack.)

        it's a one-handed exotic eastern weapon from ultimate combat, according to the srd.

        i also note a lack of shuriken stats on the srd as well, with the only sources being stuff like the pregen ninja character in the pathfinder adventure paths and such. that's an annoying oversight on their part, to be sure.

         

        on genning the dead characters/godmarks and stuff, i would be more than happy to make them for you myself. i'd just need your generation standard (x-point-buy, base 8 or base 10), starting gold, etc.

        Posted Sat 02 Jun 2012 02:29PM EDT

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        1. Pixie Death - A red-eyed grinning shadowy face.

          Changed Dirk to using a Katana. Lower base damage, higher crit range, we'll see if the deadly thing comes up... :) For shuriken stats I just hopped over to the official Paizo SRD; fortunately they're a core weapon, not in a splat book.

          If you want to stat the others for the fun of it, be my guest. To make them useful to me in future, hmm... since they're all dead, they'll probably be their own species, but they're not exactly like the tieflings which have arisen (seriously, divine heritage fucks with genetics), so...

          Use the "Human" racial abilities/modifiers for all of them, since it doesn't exist anywhere else in the setting, but call the race "Alternian Troll" or something. Statlines are using the Elite Stat Array flat: 15,14,13,12,10,8 then apply racial/other modifiers (it keeps the characters evenly matched without having to do another layer of calculations), and starting cash is the listed average for the class.

          If you want to crib off the Godmarked thing for their Game Powers, then domains established are [with subdomains in brackets ()]:

          HEIR OF VOID - Protection (Defence) and Void ()
          ROGUE OF HEART - Trickery () and Repose (Souls)
          PAGE OF BREATH - Glory (Honor) and Air (Wind)
          THIEF OF LIGHT - [Unknown, but should be a subdomain of Trickery] and Sun (Light)
          PRINCE OF HOPE - Destruction (Catastophe) and Liberation ()
          WITCH OF LIFE - Magic (Divine) and Healing ()

          I chose the domains first by name- because a lot of the Homestuck Titles are poorly defined at the moment and it's hard to justify NOT picking a domain with the same name as the Aspect- and secondly thematically, so some of the matchups may be a little odd. I say screw it. There's only so much to work with here. Remember the FIRST domain gives you the domain powers and the SECOND domain gives you the spell-likes. How you deal with God Tier/not God Tier is up to you.

          As far as favoured weapons are concerned, pick whatever their primary specibus is and model it as best you can. Godmarks provide either a Weapon Proficiency in the specific weapon, or a feat such as Catch Off Guard or Improved Unarmed Strike, or the Hero's Fortune Feat if you don't need either of the first two things.

          Oh, and these guys are gonna be Outsiders, and if you find any nice templates or things like that let me know. At any rate, they should be higher than first level. Not sure how high yet, but they could even be at 20th. Certainly no less than 6th.

          Posted Sat 02 Jun 2012 02:56PM EDT

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          1. i always saw trolls as drow(the societies match up pretty darn well, as you noticed) or fetchlings (basically humans stranded in the elemental plane of shadow)

            im fairly certain i could generate some 10th-level characters for them (though it might take a while), since that seems to be a comfortable inbetween of 6-20 and is JUST when you start getting the awesome abilities for a class.

            as for story suggestions, well, it depends on how far you're willing to stretch the setting, since i can think of a great number of things that could work into rose's "world to ash" visions.

            Posted Sat 02 Jun 2012 03:37PM EDT

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            1. Pixie Death - A red-eyed grinning shadowy face.

              I'm talking suggestions in the more immediate sense. The metaplot, I have.

              You know, Homestuck/Problem Sleuth style. "Person: Do this."

              Posted Sat 02 Jun 2012 03:56PM EDT

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              1. oh, thats MUCH easier to handle on my part.

                let's see, first one off the top of my head:

                Karkat: time's a-wastin', get on with it already!

                Posted Sat 02 Jun 2012 03:58PM EDT

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        2. Pixie Death - A red-eyed grinning shadowy face.

          Although, if you wanna help, since this story is suggestion-based... *hint hint* ;)

          Posted Sat 02 Jun 2012 03:05PM EDT

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          1. actually, do you have a skype/pesterchum account or something? it'd make it easier to discuss stuff without taking up tons of space in the comments with PF technobabble, and if there are suggestions, it'd be a case of WOOHOO SPOILERS

            Posted Sat 02 Jun 2012 03:56PM EDT

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